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		<title>Comment on Crack down by tum&#124;bler</title>
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		<dc:creator>tum&#124;bler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Your democracy strictly by the numbers is dangerous Andrew Walker and very oppressing. Any criminal opportunist could easily exploit democracy-strictly-by-the-numbers to turn a Thailand into a Marcos-cursed-Philippines, or, even a Mugabe-hyperinflation-ruined-Zimbabwe. Thaksin almost succeeded . . . His proxy Samak thought he could also try.&lt;/i&gt;



...and all this then entitles a group of lunatics to destabilise not only the state mechanisms but also the country's economy, affecting the lives of the vast majority of people who do not share the PAD's views in any way and just want to get on with their lives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Your democracy strictly by the numbers is dangerous Andrew Walker and very oppressing. Any criminal opportunist could easily exploit democracy-strictly-by-the-numbers to turn a Thailand into a Marcos-cursed-Philippines, or, even a Mugabe-hyperinflation-ruined-Zimbabwe. Thaksin almost succeeded . . . His proxy Samak thought he could also try.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;and all this then entitles a group of lunatics to destabilise not only the state mechanisms but also the country&#8217;s economy, affecting the lives of the vast majority of people who do not share the PAD&#8217;s views in any way and just want to get on with their lives?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crack down by matty</title>
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		<dc:creator>matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not pretend to fathom what PAD would want next because the answer, I suspect,  depends on what type of leader succeeds PM Samak.    But PAD succeeds  only (to draw the people on its side )because PAD was able to touch on the resentment, anger and distrust of the Thai people against leaders who are blatantly corrupt, or, assume powers to protect corrupt interests.

The difference between you and me Andrew W. is your willingness to overlook the blatantly corrupt and the patently divisive politics of Thaksin and his proxy Samak, merely because of your constipated faith in the majority vote to emancipate the poor and the marginalized Thai villagers.    But I hold the view that these Thai poor and these marginalized Thai villagers are in reality being impoverished, marginalized and used/abused by the very same corrupted democracy without accountability. 

Your democracy strictly by the numbers is dangerous Andrew Walker and very oppressing.   Any criminal opportunist could easily exploit democracy-strictly-by-the-numbers to turn a Thailand into a Marcos-cursed-Philippines, or, even a Mugabe-hyperinflation-ruined-Zimbabwe.   Thaksin almost succeeded . . . His proxy Samak thought he could also try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not pretend to fathom what PAD would want next because the answer, I suspect,  depends on what type of leader succeeds PM Samak.    But PAD succeeds  only (to draw the people on its side )because PAD was able to touch on the resentment, anger and distrust of the Thai people against leaders who are blatantly corrupt, or, assume powers to protect corrupt interests.</p>
<p>The difference between you and me Andrew W. is your willingness to overlook the blatantly corrupt and the patently divisive politics of Thaksin and his proxy Samak, merely because of your constipated faith in the majority vote to emancipate the poor and the marginalized Thai villagers.    But I hold the view that these Thai poor and these marginalized Thai villagers are in reality being impoverished, marginalized and used/abused by the very same corrupted democracy without accountability. </p>
<p>Your democracy strictly by the numbers is dangerous Andrew Walker and very oppressing.   Any criminal opportunist could easily exploit democracy-strictly-by-the-numbers to turn a Thailand into a Marcos-cursed-Philippines, or, even a Mugabe-hyperinflation-ruined-Zimbabwe.   Thaksin almost succeeded . . . His proxy Samak thought he could also try.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crack down by Andrew Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what then Matty? If Samak resigns what would PAD want next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what then Matty? If Samak resigns what would PAD want next?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crack down by matty</title>
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		<dc:creator>matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people resentment against the Samak government are quickly emerging following the 'crack down'.   Most Thai people already harbor a severe distrust of the corrupt police force and while I admit the riot police handled the anti-government protesters (from TV) with least violence, I was surprised to see my wife jumped angrily cursing the police and Samak when a few incidents showing the police roughing up the protesters were shown.

And the protests are rapidly spreading in the provinces (Phuket, Haadyai) and civil disobedience started by State Railways of Thailand have infected Thai International Airways.   Samak's proxy days are getting shorter.

Proxy Samak Sundaravej is probably going to be booted out of office just like his boss Thaksin Shinawatra, unless  Samak finds the good sense to resign now and limit his disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people resentment against the Samak government are quickly emerging following the &#8216;crack down&#8217;.   Most Thai people already harbor a severe distrust of the corrupt police force and while I admit the riot police handled the anti-government protesters (from TV) with least violence, I was surprised to see my wife jumped angrily cursing the police and Samak when a few incidents showing the police roughing up the protesters were shown.</p>
<p>And the protests are rapidly spreading in the provinces (Phuket, Haadyai) and civil disobedience started by State Railways of Thailand have infected Thai International Airways.   Samak&#8217;s proxy days are getting shorter.</p>
<p>Proxy Samak Sundaravej is probably going to be booted out of office just like his boss Thaksin Shinawatra, unless  Samak finds the good sense to resign now and limit his disgrace.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PAD&#8217;s &#8220;General Uprising of 26 August 2008&#8243; by Crack down</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crack down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Sodomy, demonisation and politics in Southeast Asia by Colum Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colum Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hrk, thanks for your response to my speculation. ‘…those in power are less afraid of election processes…?’ Couldn’t that mean they feel more assured of victory?

That sodomy is perhaps viewed more as a personal crime than a crime against the state allows for Anwar’s return to public life. The opposite can be said of Thaksin - everyone will remember his corruption (guilty or not) because it allegedly affects the state. Few would immediatly think of Anwar Ibrahim’s corruption because sodomy was used to demonise him primarily in UMNO controlled media. Perhaps, if Anwar Ibrahim’s corruption was weighted more heavily in his demonisation, the Malaysian public would have been more focused on the corruption of other UMNO members.

Sondhi Limthongkul said “If we fail this time, we’ll quit and surrender the country to them. When people don’t care about us, we won’t have to care about them. Let others take over the country.” Who is the PAD holding to ransom? Citizens or subjects? At least if Thaksin Shinawatra was holding Thais to ransom, the victims fell into the category of citizen. Instead Thai political development remains stuck on repeat at ‘the pot calling the kettle black’, and will remain so until demonisation, (like the attempts on Samak’s character at the moment) is unneccessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hrk, thanks for your response to my speculation. ‘…those in power are less afraid of election processes…?’ Couldn’t that mean they feel more assured of victory?</p>
<p>That sodomy is perhaps viewed more as a personal crime than a crime against the state allows for Anwar’s return to public life. The opposite can be said of Thaksin - everyone will remember his corruption (guilty or not) because it allegedly affects the state. Few would immediatly think of Anwar Ibrahim’s corruption because sodomy was used to demonise him primarily in UMNO controlled media. Perhaps, if Anwar Ibrahim’s corruption was weighted more heavily in his demonisation, the Malaysian public would have been more focused on the corruption of other UMNO members.</p>
<p>Sondhi Limthongkul said “If we fail this time, we’ll quit and surrender the country to them. When people don’t care about us, we won’t have to care about them. Let others take over the country.” Who is the PAD holding to ransom? Citizens or subjects? At least if Thaksin Shinawatra was holding Thais to ransom, the victims fell into the category of citizen. Instead Thai political development remains stuck on repeat at ‘the pot calling the kettle black’, and will remain so until demonisation, (like the attempts on Samak’s character at the moment) is unneccessary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lunch? by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange to see suburban Americans popping up on New Mandala on their road to discovering that the world is much bigger than their state.

No offense, but these types of people (American or not) make me laugh. Welcome to the interweb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange to see suburban Americans popping up on New Mandala on their road to discovering that the world is much bigger than their state.</p>
<p>No offense, but these types of people (American or not) make me laugh. Welcome to the interweb.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sodomy, demonisation and politics in Southeast Asia by hrk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There a few  quite crucial difference between the cases.  Thaksin had his own party, while Anwar was a member of UMNO, led by Mahathir. Thaksin did win elections, while Anwar did not. Even at present the current government in Malaysia still has a majority, while Keadilan has not. Finally, Thaksin was ousted while holding a majority in parliament through a coup, which means that he was pushed out by means outside of the at that time legal political process. Anwar was pushed out within a legal framework. 
The more interesting issue, however, which tells quite a lot about the differences between democracy in Malaysia and Thailand  is that Anwar could return into politics through elections, while Thaksin could not.  Obviously, those in power in Malaysia are less afraid of election processes then in Thailand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There a few  quite crucial difference between the cases.  Thaksin had his own party, while Anwar was a member of UMNO, led by Mahathir. Thaksin did win elections, while Anwar did not. Even at present the current government in Malaysia still has a majority, while Keadilan has not. Finally, Thaksin was ousted while holding a majority in parliament through a coup, which means that he was pushed out by means outside of the at that time legal political process. Anwar was pushed out within a legal framework.<br />
The more interesting issue, however, which tells quite a lot about the differences between democracy in Malaysia and Thailand  is that Anwar could return into politics through elections, while Thaksin could not.  Obviously, those in power in Malaysia are less afraid of election processes then in Thailand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lunch? by Ciera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a dog lover. I absolutley adore animals and this made me HATE life. To see that someone would be so cruel and mean as to cut up and eat a dog is just horrible and if they did that in front of me here in the UNITED STATES i would go crazy and if it was up to me i would KILL the person who would hurt a dog and EAT it thats so wrong on many levels and discusting...I was looking up pictures for a report at school and saw these pictures they shouldn't be posted on the internet AT ALL...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a dog lover. I absolutley adore animals and this made me HATE life. To see that someone would be so cruel and mean as to cut up and eat a dog is just horrible and if they did that in front of me here in the UNITED STATES i would go crazy and if it was up to me i would KILL the person who would hurt a dog and EAT it thats so wrong on many levels and discusting&#8230;I was looking up pictures for a report at school and saw these pictures they shouldn&#8217;t be posted on the internet AT ALL&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forbes, the Bangkok Post and the conversation of the day by k2h</title>
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		<dc:creator>k2h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to the Thai Foreign Ministry that has become Minhauzen No 2!! Hopefully, there should be less and less fairytale readers left in Thailand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to the Thai Foreign Ministry that has become Minhauzen No 2!! Hopefully, there should be less and less fairytale readers left in Thailand.</p>
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